When I was in London in February, I spent some time talking with Helen Tupper, who’s half of the Amazing If project and coauthor of the book (and podcast) Squiggly Careers. Our interview is now available:

Helen interviews author Alex Soojung-Kim Pang on why we need to prioritise rest and how practically to invest in rest when work feels consuming. They talk about the importance of deliberate rest, the passion-paradox, why hobbies matter and our need to nap!

This one doesn’t get so much into the 4-day workweek, but that’s cool; people still need to hear about deliberate rest.